Discussion:
[amsat-bb] Help with CIV and IC-910H
Ronald Nutter
2008-04-02 00:46:28 UTC
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I am trying to find some solution that will have my computer auto-adjust
my IC-910H. I have verified that the computer interface is working on
my IC-910H as I can read data from the radio using Win-EQF.

Someone suggested I get SatPC. I downloaded it but cant seem to get it
to talk to my IC-910H. I can work all the FM birds and AO-16, just
having problems getting onto the SSB birds (i.e. VO-52).

Thanks,

Ron
KA4KYI
Bruce
2008-04-02 09:30:43 UTC
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Ron

My 910, CI-V, SatPC32 combo works great with all the sats including
VO-52. You have to make sure you all your settings are correct. Verify the
Doppler.SQF file has the VO-52 sat freqs listed correctly.

73 Bruce KG4YEV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Nutter" <***@networkref.com>
To: <amsat-***@amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with CIV and IC-910H
Post by Ronald Nutter
I am trying to find some solution that will have my computer auto-adjust
my IC-910H. I have verified that the computer interface is working on
my IC-910H as I can read data from the radio using Win-EQF.
Someone suggested I get SatPC. I downloaded it but cant seem to get it
to talk to my IC-910H. I can work all the FM birds and AO-16, just
having problems getting onto the SSB birds (i.e. VO-52).
Thanks,
Ron
KA4KYI
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Ronald Nutter
2008-04-02 14:31:49 UTC
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Bruce:

Think I found part of the problem. I glossed over the CIV addressing.
I am used to applications that "know" the default CIV addressing, so I
hadnt looked at it. Although I hadnt changed mine, I looked at the
settings in my 910H and changed the settings in SatPC32. I can now see
there some indication of RIG control. Have to figure out now how to get
things to work.

I dont use the satellite function in the radio, I put the vhf frequency
in one memory and uhf in the other. I shift the receive channel into
the slave part of the radio (lower display) and put the transmit in the
higher display.

I will continue to look at the docs for SatPC but would appreciate any
pointers you can give on how you use SatPC32 with the SSB birds (i.e.
setting up the radio, etc).

Thanks,
Ron
Post by Bruce
Ron
My 910, CI-V, SatPC32 combo works great with all the sats including
VO-52. You have to make sure you all your settings are correct. Verify
the Doppler.SQF file has the VO-52 sat freqs listed correctly.
73 Bruce KG4YEV
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with CIV and IC-910H
Post by Ronald Nutter
I am trying to find some solution that will have my computer auto-adjust
my IC-910H. I have verified that the computer interface is working on
my IC-910H as I can read data from the radio using Win-EQF.
Someone suggested I get SatPC. I downloaded it but cant seem to get it
to talk to my IC-910H. I can work all the FM birds and AO-16, just
having problems getting onto the SSB birds (i.e. VO-52).
Thanks,
Ron
KA4KYI
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Tim Tuck
2008-04-02 19:37:37 UTC
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Post by Ronald Nutter
I dont use the satellite function in the radio, I put the vhf frequency
in one memory and uhf in the other. I shift the receive channel into
the slave part of the radio (lower display) and put the transmit in the
higher display.
Hi Ron,

I'm pretty sure you will need to have your 910 in Satellite mode to work
correctly.
I use mine with Orbitron and WispDDE and that works fine as does SatPC32

regards

Tim
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Tim Tuck
2008-04-02 22:30:39 UTC
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Tim,
I have an ICOM 706 and use Orbitron, by any chance do you know if I
can do doppler control in it using the CIV?
Yes, with WispDDE, Orbitron sends the data to WispDDE and it controls
the radio. I don't think the 706 is full duplex but it should track
nicely anyway. WispDDE also allows transparent tuning, i.e. If I hear
someone in the passband up from my initial position I can tune the 910
and WispDDE will maintain the doppler shift by computing the delta
between what Orbitron is telling it and what freq it gets back from the
radio. All very cool. SatPC32 will do that too.

cheers

Tim
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Tim Tuck
2008-04-03 04:23:25 UTC
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Guys, I've been watching the conversation. I have a Icom R-20 HH;
will this work for receive-only okay?
Not knowing the R20, I couldn't say - its not in the list of supported
radios for WispDDE but if it can be remotely controlled and its command
set is similar to an R7000, R8500 or PCR-1000 - it might work.

Someone else might like to chime in here if they've managed to get an
R20 working.

cheers

Tim
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G8IFF/KC8NHF
2008-04-02 16:10:00 UTC
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Have you tried Ham Radio Deluxe?
Post by Ronald Nutter
I am trying to find some solution that will have my computer auto-adjust
my IC-910H. I have verified that the computer interface is working on
my IC-910H as I can read data from the radio using Win-EQF.
Someone suggested I get SatPC. I downloaded it but cant seem to get it
to talk to my IC-910H. I can work all the FM birds and AO-16, just
having problems getting onto the SSB birds (i.e. VO-52).
Thanks,
Ron
KA4KYI
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David
2008-04-02 17:34:32 UTC
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HRD does not deal with the Doppler compensation correctly on the 910
(and possibly other radios) its a known fault which has been on
Simon's "to do" list for a while! I gave up on it a long while back
and started manually tuning instead. If SatPC can do it then I will
take a look at that and see if it is any better.

David
KG4ZLB / M0ZLB
Post by G8IFF/KC8NHF
Have you tried Ham Radio Deluxe?
Post by Ronald Nutter
I am trying to find some solution that will have my computer auto-
adjust
my IC-910H. I have verified that the computer interface is working on
my IC-910H as I can read data from the radio using Win-EQF.
Someone suggested I get SatPC. I downloaded it but cant seem to get it
to talk to my IC-910H. I can work all the FM birds and AO-16, just
having problems getting onto the SSB birds (i.e. VO-52).
Thanks,
Ron
KA4KYI
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Nigel A. Gunn. 59 Beadlemead, Milton Keynes, MK6 4HF, England.
Tel +44 (0)1908 604004 mobile +44 (0)7951079089
Amateur radio stations G8IFF, KC8NHF
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, MKARS, RAYNET
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George Henry
2008-04-02 16:57:05 UTC
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With SatPC32, you won't need to set memories on the rig... in the Doppler.sqf file, you need to have an entry for VO-52 that looks like this:

VO-52,145900,435250.3,USB,LSB,REV,0,0

This tells your radio the relationship between the uplink and downlink frequencies, what modes to use, etc., for that particular satellite. You can either open Doppler.sqf in Notepad (it's in the folder where you installed SatPC32, usually C:/Program Files/SatPC32), or from the Auxiliary Files section under the "?" option on the menu bar. Make sure that you not only have matched the addresses for your radio in the Setup menu, but the baudrate aand COM port as well, and put in a CAT delay value of around 60 or so. Then when you select VO-52 as the active satellite and press the "C" button in the upper left of the display, the program should automatically switch the radio to Satellite mode, LSB on the uplink, USB on the downlink, and set the frequencies to the values in the Doppler.sqf file. (Don't forget to turn the squelch knob, which is the RF Gain control in SSB mode, UP) You can then tune up or down from there manually, and the uplink VFO will track your changes to the downlink.

Once you can hear yourself on the downlink, follow the instructions in the file FAQ.htm, in the section titled "AO-40 Operation," to fine-tune your uplink to match your downlink (every radio is slightly different).

You should then be good to go!

73,

George, KA3HSW


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Apr 2, 2008 9:31 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H
Think I found part of the problem. I glossed over the CIV addressing.
I am used to applications that "know" the default CIV addressing, so I
hadnt looked at it. Although I hadnt changed mine, I looked at the
settings in my 910H and changed the settings in SatPC32. I can now see
there some indication of RIG control. Have to figure out now how to get
things to work.
I dont use the satellite function in the radio, I put the vhf frequency
in one memory and uhf in the other. I shift the receive channel into
the slave part of the radio (lower display) and put the transmit in the
higher display.
I will continue to look at the docs for SatPC but would appreciate any
pointers you can give on how you use SatPC32 with the SSB birds (i.e.
setting up the radio, etc).
Thanks,
Ron
Andrew Glasbrenner
2008-04-02 18:28:39 UTC
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Once you get it set up, SatPC32 is the cat's meow for tuning. This is of course dependent on keeping a fresh set of keplerian elements, an accurate clock sync on the PC, and initially calibrating the tuning equations for differences in frequency accuracy between rigs.

The learning curve is a bit steep, but it is well worth the time and effort.

73, Drew KO4MA

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Apr 2, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H
HRD does not deal with the Doppler compensation correctly on the 910
(and possibly other radios) its a known fault which has been on
Simon's "to do" list for a while! I gave up on it a long while back
and started manually tuning instead. If SatPC can do it then I will
take a look at that and see if it is any better.
David
KG4ZLB / M0ZLB
Post by G8IFF/KC8NHF
Have you tried Ham Radio Deluxe?
Post by Ronald Nutter
I am trying to find some solution that will have my computer auto-
adjust
my IC-910H. I have verified that the computer interface is working
on
my IC-910H as I can read data from the radio using Win-EQF.
Someone suggested I get SatPC. I downloaded it but cant seem to
get it
to talk to my IC-910H. I can work all the FM birds and AO-16, just
having problems getting onto the SSB birds (i.e. VO-52).
Thanks,
Ron
KA4KYI
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Post by Ronald Nutter
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Nigel A. Gunn. 59 Beadlemead, Milton Keynes, MK6 4HF, England.
Tel +44 (0)1908 604004 mobile +44 (0)7951079089
Amateur radio stations G8IFF, KC8NHF
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig
#385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, MKARS, RAYNET
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Post by Ronald Nutter
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George Henry
2008-04-02 20:37:03 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Apr 2, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H
[snip]
I'm pretty sure you will need to have your 910 in Satellite mode to work
correctly.
I use mine with Orbitron and WispDDE and that works fine as does SatPC32
regards
Tim
SatPC32 puts it into Satellite mode for you when you enable CAT tuning. He won't need to touch the button on the radio at all.

George, KA3HSW
John Kopala
2008-04-03 19:31:29 UTC
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Ron,

George has it exactly right. You don't need to fiddle with the radio except
to tune up and down the passband to see if other people are on the bird.

First select the satellite you want to access by clicking on one of the
letters for the satellites you have configured on your SATPC32 display. The
selected satellite will be highlighted on the display. Grey letters
represent no configured satellite.

In the upper left of the SATPC32 display, click on the C. It changes to C+
to show CAT tracking in activated. Watch the radio when you do this. It
should respond by going into satellite mode and tuning to the frequencies
shown in SATPC32. Sometimes I have to repeat this once or twice before the
radio and SATPC32 sync up. Just check the frequency on the radio to verify
that it has change to that displayed by the program.

Next click on CAT in the menu bar. This opens the CAT Tuning display
window. Here you can tweek the uplink and downlink frequencies if the
downlink is too high or too low. It will need some adjustment depending on
the satellite and the radio. With satellites with multiple modes, you can
change modes here by just clicking on the appropriate line. Once the
downlink sounds reasonable, you are good to go. You may have to tweek
things a little on high passes. I've noticed the doppler seems to get off a
little. On the FM birds, you don't have to touch the radio. On the SSB
birds, you can tune for other operators. You will also have to tune to
follow stations that are not using doppler control. If both stations have
doppler control, you shouldn't have to do much of anything once you have
found another station and started a QSO.

If you change satellites, you must close and reopen the CAT box.

John Kopala
N7JK
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With SatPC32, you won't need to set memories on the rig... in the
Doppler.sqf file, you need to have an entry for VO-52 that looks like this:

VO-52,145900,435250.3,USB,LSB,REV,0,0

This tells your radio the relationship between the uplink and downlink
frequencies, what modes to use, etc., for that particular satellite. You
can either open Doppler.sqf in Notepad (it's in the folder where you
installed SatPC32, usually C:/Program Files/SatPC32), or from the Auxiliary
Files section under the "?" option on the menu bar. Make sure that you not
only have matched the addresses for your radio in the Setup menu, but the
baudrate aand COM port as well, and put in a CAT delay value of around 60 or
so. Then when you select VO-52 as the active satellite and press the "C"
button in the upper left of the display, the program should automatically
switch the radio to Satellite mode, LSB on the uplink, USB on the downlink,
and set the frequencies to the values in the Doppler.sqf file. (Don't
forget to turn the squelch knob, which is the RF Gain control in SSB mode,
UP) You can then tune up or down from there manually, and the uplink VFO
will track your changes to t!
he downlink.

Once you can hear yourself on the downlink, follow the instructions in the
file FAQ.htm, in the section titled "AO-40 Operation," to fine-tune your
uplink to match your downlink (every radio is slightly different).

You should then be good to go!

73,

George, KA3HSW


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Apr 2, 2008 9:31 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H
Think I found part of the problem. I glossed over the CIV addressing.
I am used to applications that "know" the default CIV addressing, so I
hadnt looked at it. Although I hadnt changed mine, I looked at the
settings in my 910H and changed the settings in SatPC32. I can now see
there some indication of RIG control. Have to figure out now how to get
things to work.
I dont use the satellite function in the radio, I put the vhf frequency
in one memory and uhf in the other. I shift the receive channel into
the slave part of the radio (lower display) and put the transmit in the
higher display.
I will continue to look at the docs for SatPC but would appreciate any
pointers you can give on how you use SatPC32 with the SSB birds (i.e.
setting up the radio, etc).
Thanks,
Ron
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